TARLOV CYSTS - Canada the misinformed!!!

The rare diagnosis of Tarlov Cyst Disease poses significant challenges in the realm of medical care. Most Canadian Medical Practitioners lack the expertise to accurately diagnose, treat, or manage this condition. As a result, patients often find themselves navigating a healthcare system ill-prepared to address their needs, leaving them feeling lost, scared, and isolated. This lack of medical understanding perpetuates feelings of misinformation and uncertainty among Canadian patients. Through this blog, I aim to share my journey of navigating the Canadian Healthcare system while living with multiple rare disease diagnoses. I have dedicated myself to learning as much as possible about my rare diseases, hoping that my experiences and hard-earned self-education can support and guide others on their own rare disease journey. Together, let's shed light on the challenges those living with rare diseases face and work towards a more compassionate and informed healthcare system.

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Monday, May 16, 2011

Tarlov Cysts: Incidental Findings?


That’s what Tarlov Cysts are usually called. Incidental Findings; Something found that does not relate to the symptoms, which brought about the need for the diagnosing MRI or CT. Something unexpected, something found by accident.
When I came online and did a search for the meaning of “Incidental Finding”, the first thing that popped up was an article published by the Globe and Mail, dated September 28, 2010.
I have added a link to this article in the links column to the left of this page, which is exactly where I think this story, belongs.  Why? Because for Tarlov Patients one of the first things we hear when we’re told about the cysts growing on, or in, our spinal cord is, “there was a spinal cord cyst found in the MRI, but it’s an incidental finding. It’s nothing to worry about.”
Let me ask you, the common person, not the Physician or the specialist. If I was seeing a physician for severe neck pain and cramping, nerve pain and weakness in my arms, shoulders, neck and hands then I would think hey, maybe this is what’s causing my problems…Or if we did this test looking for an explanation of why I can’t sleep at night and when I do manage it, I wake up with an unbelievable headache, then I would automatically think that a cyst found on my spinal cord in the left, C5-6 area might have something to do with my symptoms. Especially if that cyst was located dangerously close to my left vertebral artery. If that was the case then I don’t think I would still consider this cyst as merely an incidental finding and, “nothing to worry about.” In my personal story that was exactly what happened. That was the case.
Once I knew I had this cyst, and I have to admit I’d never even heard the word before, I came home, did some research and found out that if you have one spinal cord cyst then chances are you have more.
When I underwent another MRI, this time for the Lumbar/Sacral area; again the report said, “Incidental Finding”. Again, I have to ask you. If you had over five years of low back pain, consistent nerve pain in your legs, bladder retention, bowel issues and weakness in the low back and legs, then would you not think these symptoms might have something to do with the giant Intradural Meningeal Cyst that was presently destroying your entire sacral canal? The same cyst that, according to the radiologist report claimed, “the cyst completely replaces the central canal, and nerve roots inferior to the S2 are not well visualized, likely displaced by this cystic lesion.”  Likely displaced?
During my trip down the Tarlov Road I’ve learned so many things that truly shocked me about our medical community. One of those major shocks came from medical terminology, and I’m not speaking about the complex medical names or procedures themselves, I’m referring to the not so simple use of the English language. Sometimes I feel that as I read these medical journal entries I am reading legal literature with terminology and procedures that detract from the laymen’s ability to comprehend what is actually being said. It’s like a word puzzle. Something simple said in a difficult way with the major goal of making you feel stupid and unable to question the specialists who will, or will not, speak to you about your diagnosis. Unfortunately, for myself and the many other Tarlov patients around the world, we’ve found many more Specialists who wouldn’t talk about this diagnosis, over the ones who would.
It seems that in Ontario, Tarlov and related spinal cord cysts are a topic that most Doctors within the medical community would prefer to avoid. Mind you, considering what I and others have been told when someone does take the time to talk, I think I’d rather them not say anything and wait for a proven, in practice specialist to speak to me about a diagnosis they’ve worked hard to understand.

29 comments:

  1. It was so nice to read your article on Tarlov Cysts. I am being treated with Gabapentin by my Dr. and am hoping it helps with the pain

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    1. I tried gaba but did not work for me..did nerve block injections...no good..butrans patch helped the most but its addictive..best of luck

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  2. I live in Vancouver, B.C. I have numerous Tarlov cysts on the T-Spine as well as several large, one measures 4.5 cm on the S-2 level. These cysts completely replace the central canal as well as push all corresponding nerve roots to the side. I no longer have the capacity to feel my bladder/bowel function and feeling in my female inner area is gone. Over the last couple of years my right foot has turned in and I am racked with balance/pins/needles and numbness issues. I am at a loss with this Doctors here and I have no support. I feel alienated. I rarely speak of this issue. Please suggest something which will offer some hope. Thank-you, so very much for the ability to speak comfortably.

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    1. I had surgery in Vancouver, I live in Prince George you can email me quesions hexxinia@gmail.com

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    2. Hi my name is Quinton and I have the exact same issues with numbness tingling plus electric shocks which travel throughout my body like crazy. I am getting to the point where it seems no one belivesmeand nothing works it is nothing but torture

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  3. Hello BC, (you didn't give me a name)

    I'm so sorry to hear what you've been going through, but it's unfortunately a normal situation for our Disease.

    There are so many different beliefs when it comes to Tarlov Cysts, but I will say it's not impossible to get treatment if that's what you're looking for.

    Please email me directly and I can help you connect with another BC patient who probably knows more about the BC situation than I.

    So please, feel free to email me at sherri.jones@live.ca, or you can reach me on my cell at 416.795.0617 anytime.

    I know first hand how lonely, painful and frustrating this disease can be, but you don't have to be alone.

    On the left side of this post are a list of links that you could visit for information, plus there's also several support groups there as well...

    Have you contacted the Tarlov Cyst Disease Foundation yet? Their link is also to the left. If you haven't contacted Reta yet I recommend you do. I'm certain she can help you learn and understand many things she's discovered through research and she can help make sense of your medical reports. Reta's a nurse, but also a Tarlov Patient. She knows first hand what we all go through.

    In addition; the Tarlov Survival Support Group is a very active, Tarlov Specific, group of patients from around the world.. it's a group of patients who suffer the same as you and I. That group has helped me through a lot of rough times, and I'm certain they can help you as well...they can be an amazing resource for information on Doctors, medical suggestions, and even just for a place to vent... believe me we all vent on Survival and it's an accepted norm...

    I'm happy you messaged me and I hope this site helps you find some answers and suggestions of where to go from here.

    Please email me, or call and I can help you get in touch with other members... but the member I'm speaking of is also a Tarlov Survival group member... I'm sure he'd be happy to share what he knows in regards to your own provincial options.

    Wishing you a pain free day, and welcome to the group! As I said, you don't have to be alone.

    I look forward to hearing from you!

    Sherri

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  4. Hello Sherri,

    My name is Debbie.

    I have been recently diagnosed with Tarlov Cyst "disease", found through an MRI requested by my family Doctor.

    I am extremely happy that I found you, as I have been trying to find groups and forums since April, to find out more about this problem.

    Although my family doctor sympathises with me and is trying to do his best in directing me along the proper paths in order to deal with this, I have hit a road block, and I am hoping that I will be able access more avenues to take in order to get my life back.

    After the cyst was discovered my doctor said I would need surgery to remove it and immediately sent me to a neurosurgeon. Well, I left the neurosurgeon with no answers and feeling like I wasted his time. He seemed like he didn't believe that I was going through the pain symptoms I discribed to him (I was having a good day that day) and sent me away telling me he would discuss my case with his collegues, he doesn't recommend surgery-but he would like to "keep on eye on it" and to come back in 2 months. I went back to my family doctor requesting that I get a second opinion, to which I did not receive one as yet.

    I really know nothing about this cyst (except that the neurosurgeon said I was born with it), it is apparently quite large; 22x18x38mm (as big as my thumb)it is located at L4 L5 area of my spine and is pressing against my nerves. The neurosurgeon said he dosen't believe that this is the cause of my pain and recommended, as he said he does with all people with cronic back pain, to EXCERCISE. (to which I am very afraid to do, as you know how painful it can be when you over exert yourself in any way, shape or form)

    I live in Ontario-near Toronto and was wondering if you know if I need a referral from my family doctor to see other specialists?

    Any advice or comments would be greatly appreciated.

    Thank you for your time.

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    1. Hi Debbie,
      I'm so sorry to hear of your diagnosis.... no matter how much time passes for me since my own diagnosis, I can remember only too well how devastated I was. Not only from the diagnosis, but also from the lack of accessible and informed medical advice and guidance I received. My own experience with this disease has certainly developed my understanding and compassion for others diagnosed with the same disease.
      Fortunately there have been some advances within Canada, even if only within Patient Peer Support. At least now we know there are others like us within Canada and our little group of Canadian Tarlov Patients, that seems to keep expanding, has now become a little group of patients working together, sharing information and experiences, which is thankfully helping us all not feel so alone, scared or confused.

      Please email me directly at sherri.jones@live.ca or call me at 416-795-0617 anytime. I promise I'll do all I can to help and connect you to our own little group and help you gain the knowledge we've learned from experience.

      I look forward to hearing from you soon!
      Sherri

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  6. My husband has recently has worsening back pain migraines numbness in his legs and loss of feeling in the left one as well as several other symptoms and come to find out a few months ago he has a cyst in his lower spine that has grown 4 times in size since 2009 but they "didn't feel the need to mention it" because it was "inconsequential" pardon my language but can I get a an excessivly loud and obnoxious bullsh*t! We're going to a specialist at John's Hopkins in maryland where we live and he deals with these a lot and has been very helpful so far. Unfortunatly with all the other testing and things he wants done it's taking forever trying to get appointments at different Drs for different test and its about 2 weeks to a month between appointments. Meanwhile (and Dr Long did warn us that most Dr.s treat this condition out of ignorance) he's being rejected by pain management and told he's just faking it for pain pills. I cannot even begin to convey how frustrating this is (and my sympathy and hope go out to you for being in the same situation) some of the Doctors we have delt with should be going home at night and counting thier blessings that murder is illegal or I'd be laying down plastic to make sure I don't get blood on the carpet. If anyone reading this is in the States near the east coast and has the means to get to Maryland the specialist we're seeing is Dr. Donlin Long and so far he seems very knowledgeable and willing to help even though we've only seen him once. Right now he has us going to another couple of doctors for nerve testing and what not to see what all is being affected by the cyst in order to determine how he wants to go about treating it.

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    1. Hi Jessica,
      I am so sorry to hear about your husband's suffering and perhaps worse, the negligent experience he has had with doctors who are ignorant of the consequences of Tarlov cysts.

      While I am a person suffering from at least one Tarlov cyst, and can relate directly with some of your husband's physical symptoms, more importantly, I share his experience with the medical community's dismissive position toward Tarlov cysts.

      If there is one thing I know with certainly, it is that medicine is an institution and like any other institution, it imposes controls on its membership as a means to ensure the survival of the institution. Generally, medicine does not implement treatment for symptoms that have not been scientifically proven to be disorder.

      One of the biggest barriers to adequate treatment of Tarlov cysts is the way in which truth evolves in the scientific community. When a patient presents with symptoms, general practice physicians match these symptoms with disorders/diseases that are recognized in academic medical journals. Until more articles have been published on the treatment of Tarlov cysts as disease, this will unfortunately continue to be the case. For now, physicians such as Dr. Long and others are piecing together accepted forms of medical evidence such as nerve testing, etc., in order to support treatment of Tarlov cysts.

      While this is certainly the longest way around treatment, nothing will improve until medicine recognizes Tarlov cysts as consequential to our symptoms.

      In my situation, in addition to my leg, foot, finger and arm numbness and pain, my migraine headaches, and my lower back pain that have persisted since 2005, my general practice physician has medically proven evidence of bladder retention to the threshold that science dictates surgery, and indications of bowel dysfunction. After waiting 6 months to see a Gastroenterologist, he dismissed my inability to empty my bowel as irritable bowel syndrome without ordering any testing. While I had not yet had the MRI that discovered my Tarlov cyst and other spinal disease, the gastroenterologist did have my other test results. When I told him about the way my back pain often correlates with bowel and bladder retention, the gastroenterologist said back pain has nothing to do with the bowel.

      I have been trying to obtain copies of my MRI, CT scan, x-rays and ultrasounds in order to obtain a consult from a US doctor, but the hospital and clinic that performed these tests have not responded to my requests.

      Institutions resist anything that threatens their autonomy. It seems barbaric but until medicine decides Tarlov cyst patients merit the benefits of research into their symptoms, general practice physicians and some specialized physicians will continue to line up patients' symptoms with the checklist of scientifically "proven" diseases that have been published in medical journals.

      In Canada, our situation is even more precarious than before, because government cutbacks target funding for all forms of research.

      Institutions don't usually change until they are confronted by a strong public force. Perhaps our voices together will be that strong force for Tarlov cyst patients.

      I wish you and your husband relief from your suffering.

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    2. I can not believe they will not give you the MRI and results. YOU DEMAND, YOU WANT THEM TO SENT IT TO YOUR FAMILY DOCTOR AND YOU GET AN EXTRA COPY PERSONALLY TO BE SENT TO THAT DOCTOR IN THE USA.
      When you get that copy (and if they say NO raise some crap, then go to your MPP and MP or the person that handles complaints at the hospital)then you can look at it yourself on your computer.

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  7. Hi,

    My name is Linda and I am new at this. I have been suffering for years and today when I got a copy of my MRE, CT Scan and everything and read them I found that the radiologist has diagnosed me with Perineural Cysts. I am trying to find out about them and really can't find much in Canada about them.

    Can you tell me where I can look? I know they say they are rare; but, are they that rare? Please help me.

    Thank you so much.

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    1. Hi Linda, please contact me directly at sherri.jones@live.ca I would love to know more and perhaps we kind get you some of the answers you're looking for..
      I hope to hear from you soon!

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  8. Hi ,my name is Kerry ,i have been suffering over a year now with pins needles in my legs numbness an back an bladder problems .I find it hard to sleep with pain mostly in my legs.I have a small tarvlo cyst an some other spine problems I'm on gabapentin which helped pain at 1st but it seems to be getting a lot worse recently I'm waiting to see a spine specialist but so far neurosurgeons have just told me again would'nt be cause of problems. An as I had a brain anyersum coiled in October Im still suffering from vision problems still an pins needles in hands so feel like I have so many different symptoms I'm unsure myself to what's the cause to all of this. Have two small children an am a full time mother so I just want to feel better.

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    1. Hi Kerry, Where do you live? Could you contact me at tarlov.canada@gmail.com or through my cell at 416-795-0617

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  9. Hi, my name is Sharon, I live in Northern Sask. My tarlov cyst was found by MRI when they were looking for a pinched nerve. Finally with the MRI I was told by Nurse that the provincial lab. had found a tarlov cyst, which they had never heard of here. I was referred to a neurosurgeon,who sent me a letter containing 1 sentence..I have reviewed your file and I am sending you to a specialist for rehabilitation..Dr. so and so. Needless to say I was crushed. I am lucky as the pain level is low(as long as I behave myself..don't do much live up to my lazy rep. I really overdid it once about 6 months ago and the result still frightens me.
    It is very frustrating mainly with the randomness of the symptoms, after a while I found I really thought I had become a hypochondriac.
    I try to see it from the medical profession side..you know how can the pain on the outside edge of my left foot be related to the headaches..oh and sleeplessness and spreading numbness down the out side of my left thigh. Lower back discomfort it's not unbearable..yet.
    Sorry for the rant.. It just here I sit , I do find myself thinking why did they bother to give it a name if someone won't even talk to me about it.

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  10. My mother who lives in Swift Current, Sask was 'diagnosed' with T.C in 2009, 2 years after doctors told her it was nothing....
    She cannot travel and barley makes it through an 8 hour day at her desk. She is affraid to try anything new or seek more medical attention as she has only received uniformative and insensitive responses from her doctors.

    A friend recently saw a lady who does jin shin jyutsu and recommended I take my mom to see her. I contacted this lady and she said with about 10 sessions (can be done in 5 days) she should be feeling pretty good.
    Im curious to know if anyone else has tried this method of treatment. Any feed back would be great!
    Thanks!

    JD

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  11. Hello from Sudbury, On...have been reading all the comments and can see now that I am not alone with being told that my Tarlov Cysts do not cause problems or you do not have any pain. I am being treated with Gabapentin and it is not helping but the symptoms are getting worse. I just had to put my two cents in as it is frustrating to be brushed off by the Doctors.

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  12. Hello. I stumbled across this blog while doing my endless hours of research on TC. I was diagnosed approx 6yrs ago with multiple TC covering my lumbar and sacral region. Since then I have continued to live an active life and even had 2 children; however, my worst fears have now become reality with this disease. My cysts have enlarged with my biggest one measuring 9.5cm and into my pelvic region. The worst for me is when I get my period. I have excruciating pain that is debilitating. I have come close to blacking out from the pain, it is so intense. I am absolutely terrified by this, and feel like my body is a ticking time bomb. So far I have not been connected with anyone in the vancouver area who knows anything or can provide any help. I'm still searching...... in the meantime, my GP is trying to help me with pain management, while I try to continue living my life. Has anyone found a really great doctor anywhere in British Columbia or Canada who specializes in TC or even has some knowledge/experience???

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    1. Did you have any luck finding a doctor?
      I’m in Langley if you want to compare notes. I have a TC S1-S2

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  13. It is 6 months that I have lower back pain. Recently they found a cyst on my S1 root nerve. Now , I am looking a neurologist in vancouver who have experience in this field. May you please help me . I am relly depressed :(

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  14. I have lower back pain for 6 months , recently I noticed that I have tarlove cyst . May you please help me to find a neurologist in vancouver who have experience for this problem.

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  15. I have lower back pain for 6 months , recently I noticed that I have tarlove cyst . May you please help me to find a neurologist in vancouver who have experience for this problem.

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  16. I am doing research on TC as my recent MRI showed 5 TC around my tailbone. The biggest one is 2cm. Would this explain the excruciating pain I have around my tailbone and sciatic area when I sit down or lay down even for short periods of time? I am still waiting to get a referral to a neurosurgeon and discuss my MRI further. At what point do they diagnose with TC disease? Also would TC be related to other cysts in my uterus? Any info would be great. I am in my mid-30-s with an active 8 year old son and I feel worse than an 80 year old woman.
    Mila

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  17. I was so glad to find this article in doing research on TC's. I recently had an MRI done on my lowerlumbar and just received the results from a fill in Doc for my Doc and my MRI shows 5 TC's around my tailbone, biggest one only 2cm's. Would this explain my excruciating tailbone pain when I sit, run, walk or lay down for even short periods of time? Also in the past I have had cysts near/on my ovaries, could these be related? At what point do they diagnose you with TC Disease? Sorry for all the questions, I now have to wait for my own family Dic to give me a referral to see a Neurosurgeon and I hope they can find someone who specializes in this in Toronto. I am in my mid 30's with an active 8 year old and I had just started running and cycling and now its all come to a halt. Anyway, thanks for listening. Any info would be great as I continue researching on this.

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  18. I am doing research on TC as my recent MRI showed 5 TC around my tailbone. The biggest one is 2cm. Would this explain the excruciating pain I have around my tailbone and sciatic area when I sit down or lay down even for short periods of time? I am still waiting to get a referral to a neurosurgeon and discuss my MRI further. At what point do they diagnose with TC disease? Also would TC be related to other cysts in my uterus? Any info would be great. I am in my mid-30-s with an active 8 year old son and I feel worse than an 80 year old woman.
    Mila

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  19. I’m in the Vancouver area and suffer with TC. Have you found help?

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  20. I am now after seven years waiting to see the neurosurgeon. I begged for help since I fell. I did not receive wwb and am trying to live on a small government pension.my urgolist figured it out because I refused to have a catheter unless she could tell me why. I had to do my own research to get to where I am. now my bowel doesn't empty my bladder doesn't empty I even have vertigo now. I am in pain and I am scared

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